Move to the backlog - Transparency - community needs fixes to move to maui.

[developer9969]

Description

Let me start total admiration for the team and what they achieve considering how small they are as a team..

@davidortinau @maddymontaquila
Unfortunately you are the face of Maui and I bet you have your hands tied too but the state of Maui continue to be a problem

We are trying very very hard to convert applications written in Xamarin to MAUI but we face a daily struggle to get things working.

We are stuffing our apps with workarounds everywhere and something that should be just a port has quickly turned into a massive scope creep because simple things just dont work on Maui.. I know you know this but we need some transparency and some quick action from yourself - We love the initiative that @PureWeen took with his nuget - it cleared quite a few bugs for us.. why dont you do the same for collectionview??

Basic things that should just work and they dont

• CollectionView - resize - EmptyView and a miriad of bugs but EmptyView not working is a pain, and involves a big workaround for us with crappy code to hide /displays screens.
• Gesture recognizers - Common !! we had to go on discovery tour to find out which control they work on - they dont work on collectionview and frame etc...
• Line breaks in entry - here we go again writing handlers to fix this.
• Release mode has some nasties - I.E Visual state on iOS does not work
• Image -clipping with borders do not work
• Keyboard issues on iOS covering the entry.
• We have no official UI Testing framework

The list goes on - all of these items have already been raised as bugs but never fixed - we need the basic stuff working!!!!

We seem to get the dreaded "Moved to the backlog" we all have one of those and wherever I worked means - "It will never be fixed!!"

I am trying to be constructive here , but unless you start dogfooding - writing apps that go live - you will never hit a miriad of issues that we encounter when we are writing real apps...

I know you are forced to move to the .net 8 bandwagon , but here we are in a very much broken state till Nov 2023 with the hope that magically it will all start working...

We totally understand that any framework has bugs but it defeats any logic in trying to even support windows when you can barely support iOS and Android.

@maddymontaquila HotReload - we desperatly need this working reliably , its a massive hit and miss -
Ask one of your developers to build some apps - with 10 -20 screens - popups - bottomsheet- collectionViews etc and then try to use hot reload in both ios and android - than you will know what we are talking about!

I hope I get some response because I am struggling to justify to managment on why its taking me too long to port the app to Maui!!

Finally -Why cant you give us an interim nuget with fixes like @PureWeen does ? that would help the community enormosly!
Its not ideal but its a solution that will give us a chance to move on into the Maui world..

thats all

Steps to Reproduce

Write any decent size app and you will see all the issue we daily encounter

Link to public reproduction project repository

you could port smart hotels to maui

Version with bug

6.0.312

Last version that worked well

6.0.312

Affected platforms

iOS, Android

Affected platform versions

VS 2022 any version

Did you find any workaround?

We are making our app so brittle with all these plasters here and there!

Relevant log output

No response

[jsuarezruiz]

First of all, thanks for the detailed feedback, I have shared it with PMs and I am sure they will follow/reply with more details. My answer is more to share that we are trying to improve the process of prioritizing issues, and fixes and also the transparency/communication about the status of everything. About the mentioned issues, there are several in progress or recently merged.

• CollectionView - resize - EmptyView: [Android] Fix CollectionView EmptyView #11763
• Gesture recognizers: This Connect gestures LifeCycle to Container and Window #12259 should impact in some of the controls where are not working and there are other fixes like Fix gestures in Label Spans #12027 in progress.
• Image -clipping: Should be fixed by [iOS] Fix Border Content clipping issues #10964
• Keyboard issues on iOS covering the entry: Should have been fixed by [iOS] Scroll with the keyboard to not block entries and editors #13499 and [net7.0] Show keyboard on Android entry/editor/searchbar focus (#13908) #14012

And there are still important pending things from your list, we are pushing to have it as soon as possible.

On the other hand, some examples of Xamarin.Forms have been ported and also create periodic UI Challenges like these:

• https://github.com/jsuarezruiz/netmaui-movies-app-challenge
• https://github.com/jsuarezruiz/netmaui-skateboard-ecommerce-app-challenge
• https://github.com/jsuarezruiz/netmaui-finance-app-challenge
• https://github.com/jsuarezruiz/netmaui-moon-nft-app-challenge
• https://github.com/jsuarezruiz/netmaui-coupons-app-challenge
• https://github.com/jsuarezruiz/netmaui-surfing-app-challenge
• https://github.com/jsuarezruiz/netmaui-beautyshop-app-challenge
• Etc

With the aim of doing dogfooding, having the experience of a developer, detecting what is going well and what is going wrong, filling in issues, etc.

[prok155]

I'm trying to migrate my app from Xamarin to MAUI from May 2022 until now and every time I try to do that, I face new bugs which don't allow to migrate my app. Of course, I open new issues on github, but they are always moved to backlog and it takes several months to fix it.

Xamarin support ends in May 2024 and I guess that after that time it will be impossible to do updates in app stores and google store, because both stores requires the latest sdk. I'm afraid, because I have apps in both stores and it doesn't seem that issues will be solved faster.

I think that the problem is that the MAUI project is too big and the team is to small.

[developer9969]

@jsuarezruiz thank you for answering!! hey just to say whenever I need some inspiration I always look at your work or the pages you maintain -

its tough here ... and those fixes you mentioned they would help a great deal. Will they be available in next Visual Studio release? the gestures - emptyView - keyboard - those are just blockers for us as they are the backbone of any applications with data.

Regarding dogfooding though - those are just samples with no external pressure if things do not work. If you add - outlook - or teams or whatever that is used by thousands of users and suddendly something basic does not work, the pressure to fix it would be right there!! do you see what I mean ?

the gesture issue #8895

Visual state -
In our apps Visual state plays a massive role and everywhere (77 pages) buttons are enabled depending on entries etc...
all fine in android but iOS Release mode just does not work

#11662

All the above are basic fix - that have an impact on any app -